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Re: [atomic-devel] Having abrt on Atomic Host



On 05/30/2017 09:27 AM, Dusty Mabe wrote:
> 
> 
> On 05/29/2017 08:20 PM, William Brown wrote:
>> On Wed, 2017-05-24 at 11:44 -0400, Daniel Walsh wrote:
>>> On 05/19/2017 01:46 AM, Niranjan M.R wrote:
>>>> Greetings,
>>>>
>>>> I would like to know what is the status of having Abrt on Atomic Host. I see there
>>>> was a old thread[1], but could not figure out if there was any work being done in
>>>> that regard.
>>>>
>>>> I have 2 use cases here
>>>>
>>>> A. Having abrt collect crashes from application containers
>>>> B. Having abrt collect crashes of process running on Atomic hosts (like docker).
>>>>
>>>> Any update on the above would be helpful.
>>>>
>>>> 1. https://lists.projectatomic.io/projectatomic-archives/atomic-devel/2015-February/msg00026.html
>>>
>>> abrt should be packaged as a System container.
>>>
>>
>> That doesn't seem right. I think that while we should have the goal to
>> containerise things, there is a point where *too much* is reached. I
>> think this is a good example (as is SSSD)
>>
>> atomic host should have "just enough" to make running containers a good
>> system, and being able to admin them effectively, but without *over
>> complicating* the system.
>>
>> I think that shoving everything (like abrt, sssd) in containers is a
>> mistake because these are clearly in the atomic layer, and there is no
>> benefit to the complexity of containerising them. 
>>
>> * Do I need abrt to move at a different rate to my atomic base (no)
>> * Does containerising it have a tangible benefit over non (no)
>> * Does it add complexity (yes)
>>
>> Rather than living at extremes, we should be taking a more reasonable
>> approach to this design I think. 
>>
> 
> I tend to agree here. Previously things had to go into either the base
> atomic host or they had to go into a container. Now we have package
> layering, so there is a middle ground.
> 
> I say let's keep the base relatively small like what we have today.
> For things that are low level utilities/services we can either choose to
> include them in the base or not. If not the user still has the option
> of layering them in using `rpm-ostree install pkg`. With the livefs
> work that is going on upstream we might even be able to rid ourselves of 
> the dreaded reboot for package layering.

Dusty, do you have any link of livefs work that is going on ?

> 
> For higher level services and applications container(verb) away! 
> 
> Thoughts?
> Dusty
> 


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