Re: [atomic-devel] Kubernetes vs. Origin for upstream

["Tim St. Clair" <timothysc gmail com>]

I'd always help with making upstream containers that are kubeadm and
atomic ready.

I've already fixed CNI, and updated the fedora packages to have kubeadm fwiw.

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 4:42 PM, Josh Berkus <jberkus redhat com> wrote:
> Folks:
>
> We started this discussion at the last Atomic General meeting, but
> didn't resolve it.  You can find the actual discussion here:
> http://etherpad.osuosl.org/atomic-community-meeting
>
> The Problem
> ------------
>
> Currently we kind of promote Kubernetes as our main orchestrator for
> upstream Atomic (Fedora Atomic and Centos Atomic).  However, we also
> promote upstream Atomic as a plaform for Origin.  There are two problems
> with our current approach:
>
> 1. we don't realistically have the resources to package, document, and
> promote both upstream Kubernetes and Origin on upstream Atomic.
>
> 2. not having a default option with clear & complete documentation
> confuses users and doesn't present them with a complete system.
>
> As a result, we need to decide which platform is the one we promote
> first, and ensure has a complete and up-to-date toolchain.
>
> Kubernetes First
> ----------------
>
> Advantages:
> * more upstream/cutting edge stuff
> * better able to connect with, promote through, Kubernetes community and
> developers
> * kubernetes is much better known than OpenShift
> * FLIBS, CP containers mostly work on Fedora
>
> Disadvantages:
> * most Red Hat staff work with OpenShift
> * could not count on help from downstream (RHEL Atomic)
> * doesn't integrate with some of our other projects (e.g. gluster storage)
>
>
> Origin First
> ------------
>
> Advantages:
> * nice GUI
> * better app developer experience
> * better documentation for administration
> * able to combine work with downstream folks
>
> Disadvantages:
> * lose most of Kubernetes developer/user community
> * installation on Fedora is problematic and poorly maintained
> * Atomic not seen as next-gen platform
> * would need to refactor FLIBS, CP to have Origin-worthy containers
>
> ==================
>
> So, thoughts?  And more discussion on Monday.
>
>
> --
> --
> Josh Berkus
> Project Atomic
> Red Hat OSAS
>



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