Re: [atomic-devel] Screen in Atomic

[Jeremy Eder <jeder redhat com>]

----- Original Message -----
> From: "James" <purpleidea gmail com>
> To: atomic-devel projectatomic io
> Cc: goern redhat com
> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 4:18:18 PM
> Subject: [atomic-devel] Screen in Atomic
> 
> RE:
> https://lists.projectatomic.io/projectatomic-archives/atomic-devel/2015-April/msg00036.html
> 
> There are two goals:
> 
> 1) Having Atomic get used and have people get comfortable with it
> 2) Having it be extremely minimal
> 
> While I think #2 is a great goal, I think #1 is more important *now*,
> as without any users it doesn't matter what size it is. At the moment,
> it's very difficult to use and hack on things without spawning 100
> terminals, which is why screen is a good addition.
> 
> Gnome continuous actually got this right because it had a "normal"
> version, and a -devel version (which was bigger, but you got all the
> tools).
> 
> The reasons you need a terminal multiplexer in base are well described here:
> 
> https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/fedora-atomic.git/commit/?id=268fabe30ae6640293bc0c1a57372e0c83f504c4
> 
> Now the question as to why tmux and not screen, or vice versa. Well,
> we've agreed that one is necessary, the next issue is which one? Both
> are significantly small and without any external dependencies. Screen
> is quite popular and still the most common. Some users prefer tmux and
> that is okay. So either include both, or include neither. Saying you
> will only include one is a giant "f-off" to users who believe strongly
> in one of them. It's the same thing as saying don't use vim, use
> emacs.
> 
> I actually prefer screen, and there are a number of tools that don't
> work with tmux yet. vscreen (vagrant screen) is one example, and
> there's no tmux version yet! Also screen is my personal preference.
> Let's not be dogmatic about 100k, there are bigger issues to worry
> about.
> 
> TL;DR: +1 screen

There is a long history of screen usage with industry standard benchmarks.  There is zero chance of those ever being ported to tmux.  Perf team's own internal benchmark/system statistics wrapper uses screen as well, so...here's another +1.