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Re: [atomic-devel] Screen in Atomic

I see the point in developing directly on atomic as it is something I desire as well, but with that said at what cost does it come?

Atomic's minimal nature not only makes it optimized for speed but also for reliability and manageability at scale, and most importantly security. It is what attracted us to the project to begin with.

The more packages that are added the more that is sacrificed. I for one will be happy dealing without all the bells and whistles to have peace of mind knowing the clusters are rock stable and have the smallest security attack footprint out of any other available operating systems.

The please add feature x will never stop and it is a slippery slope that has already been asked many times which will further pull atomic away from the very purpose it was designed and that purpose was not to be just another Linux flavor. It is intended to be a stripped down secure o.s. With one purpose; hosting containers and nothing else.

Because it is designed for hosting containers the age old method of developing on the target platform just doesnt need to be.

Just an example:


From: Trevor Jay
Sent: ‎4/‎20/‎2015 9:37 AM
To: Joe Brockmeier
Cc: atomic-devel projectatomic io
Subject: Re: [atomic-devel] Screen in Atomic

On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 11:06:53AM -0400, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
> Other than personal preference, is there a reason Screen is needed
> rather than tmux?

Not at all. Others have mentioned that some debugging tools haven't made the switch yet. Ignoring that, I'd agree that tmux--being more modern---makes more sense.

> Note - we are currently shipping Fedora with a bunch of packages that                                 > are really unnecessary in practice for anyone using Atomic as it's meant                              > to be used. Short term, this is OK b/c most people using Atomic are                                   > doing so as you are -- long term, that's a severely broken practice.

Yes and no. Sure Atomic's main use will be as cloud host, but why not develop your containers on the host you'll ultimately be using? Plus Atomic is a very good *as an OS* full stop. I actually prefer virtualizing and working with Atomic to the other minimal OS's or even real Fedora. I don't think I'll be alone in this, especially when you consider the "I use OSX and virtualize Linux" crowd. Once you embrace the "everything in a container" model of Atomic, it's a really good experience in and of itself.


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